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Source: e-mailing KT begin
2002.
Dear Kt, I have some questions,
a) I'm studying your book : you speak about anomalous
aspects; may I understand it as follows: planets when
in an eccentric orbit make anomalous aspects, when I
convert the declination positions in longitude equivalent
positions; they can make f.e. a trine (or another aspect)
in l.e., while in declinations they make a parallel,
contra-parallel of even no declination aspect. Therefore
using declinations aspects like parallel and contraparallel
(and OOB) is not enough; the conversion is necessary.(Luc)
That is correct. The whole point and purpose of conversion
of the OOB condition is the revelation of the aspects
that are concealed within these positions. (Kt)
b) Is this conversion technique from longitude to declination
acceptable by astronomers? I know astronomers convert
also the two different coordination systems, but than
they work with some math (sinus, cosine, tangent, etc)
(Luc)
Whether this conversion technique from longitude
to declination is acceptable by astronomers is of no
importance, in actual fact. You see, astronomers, almost
to a man, deride astrology as a 'bastard' science. Astrologers
are much more intelligent than that - we can (and always
HAVE) been intelligent enough to understand the hard
science of astronomy and apply it to the (so called)
'soft' science of astrology.
As a 'hard' science, it was the astronomers (my teachers
at the University) who recognized the hidden aspects
of declination so 'yes', I used the astronomers very
techniques to identify these anomolous aspects. As far
as working with math - astrologers also work with math
- it is the basis of everything they do and if they
don't understand the math of astronomy they need to
learn it as quickly as possible. In my book I pointed
out that the astronomers were the very ones who recognized
and worked with what they called 'anomolous' aspects
that were not apparent because of the extreme position
of the planet (or planets) making the anomolous aspects.
They did not apply the effect to the soft science of
astrology (which is nothing more nor less than the psychological/mental/spiritual
result of the physical event(s) or condition(s).) Kt
c) when interpreting declinations it's clear that OOB
planets have a special interpretation (= beyond normal
conditions or expectations); OOB is when a planet has
a higher declination as the max declination of the sun
(23°26-28'); some authors give also a special interpretation
at planets who are between the range of 20° and 23°26-28';
what do you think about that? (Luc)
I have found no authors who give the range of 20d
to 23d26-28 any special interpretation. Frankly, that
is just silly - that is a perfectly normal range that
every planet achieves without special conditions or
unusual periodicity. The aspects made within that range
of arc are perfectly normal and constantly repeated
and NOT subject to any reduction or remarkable qualities
or conditions. Just 'business as usual.' Kt
d) When a planet is OOB, we had to correct or adjust
declination (f.e. Moon 27N45 results in 19N11 planetary
codeclination). It's is like a sort of mirror point
with the corresponding point on the ecliptic - in this
case 23N28 - as midpoint. 19N11 has therefore the same
'value' as 27N45. How can we defend or explain it astronomically?
Thanks, Luc We do not HAVE to defend it astronomically
- it is a physical and mathematical fact that was discovered
many, many years ago and subsequently revealed by the
astronomers - as an astrologer I worked for years applying
what the astronomers know (and knew) about the physical
fact of planets whose orbits exceed the angle of the
ecliptic periodically and applying it to astrological
interpretation - this is precisely what medical doctors
do with the hard science of chemistry when they prescribe
medication to cure or create a specific physical condition.
The masters of the hard sciences are brilliant but the
masters of the soft sciences are the geniuses - astronomers
are very intelligent but accurate astrologers are very
wise - wisdom is intelligence applied appropriately.
Kt
e) In your book you wrote p 25-26 (cycles & psychological
of the OOB planets at the end of this chapter) the lunar
paradigma is the most specifically definitive. What
do you mean with the words: " specifically definitive"?
(Luc)
I mean that the Moon OOB is the most consistent in its
pattern of attitude and emotion. But ONLY when IT is
the ONLY OOB placement in the chart. I find that if
another planet or even one of the major asteroids (Juno,
Ceres, Pallas, Vesta and Chiron are the only ones I
have researched) happens to be simultaneously OOB it
alters the Moon's pattern when also OOB. Ergo, when
the Moon is the only OOB celestial body in the chart
at birth the emotional pattern of the Moon that I described
will be evident in the character and behaviour and life
of the native. (Kt)
f) Mercurius and Venus are never far away from the
Sun (by longitude respectively 28° en 48°); how is it
by declination? (Luc)
This is very interesting and explains many things. Mercury
and Venus can both go OOB to a fair extreme and as a
result the OOB Venus and/or Mercury may be close to
the Sun by longitude but nowhere near it by declination
- this then will alter the relationship of the planets
involved. Kt
g) Can you give me a general view about it? In different
case these 3 personal 'planets' (Sun, Mercurius and
Venus) are in the same declination either North either
South. What does that mean for the personality when
those three are in the same declination half? (Luc)
I am not sure what you mean by 'those three are in the
same declination half?' What do you mean by half? Do
you mean North and/or South? If that is what you mean
the question is invalid because those two planets will
always be in the same declination 'direction' (north
or south) as that the Sun is in and as a result has
no particular significance. If you mean that, for example,
the Sun might be 20 N 00 and the planets (Mercury and
Venus might be at 24 and 27 North declination then it
tells you that they are not in the normal, average relationship
with the Sun therefore will espress their natures in
a rather eccentric or unusual fashion. Kt
h) The higher the degree of declination, the more pronounced
the effect of the OOB planet will be, and this in good
or bad behavior ... Because there is a gradation at
that side of the boundary, Can we conclude there is
also some gradation at the other side of the boundary.
F.e. make it a difference wether my natal Uranus is
23N26-27 or 19N15 or 8N?
Answer: all planets in declination from 0 N/S 00 to
23N/S28 are in normal declination range therefore there
should be no abnormal or unusual traits attributable
to them. If such exicts in the chart the source must
some other than declination. Kt
i) How do you work with antiscia? (Luc)
Answer 1 The antiscion is simply the reflex point
of the planet's natal declination and functions as a
turning point or reflex point. If a planet moves by
declination to the antiscion point of another planet
it usually causes some sort of reflex action or activity
or reaction. Kt
Answer 2 The antiscion is the reflex position of
a planet's position, in that degree on the opposite
side of the Cancer-Capricorn axis which is always oriented
to the 0 Cancer/0 Capricorn midpoints and may be defined
by both longitude and declination. Now that antiscion
degree is also sometimes referred to as the solstice
point (or turning point because it is the point at which
the Sun appears to stand still and this takes place
when the Sun is at 0 Cancer and at 0 Capricorn. So there
is really no problem with this. It is a simple fact
that when a planet's declination is correctly identified
and converted to longitude that longitude is often quite
different from the longitude attributed to the planet
in the Ephemeris. There is no specific way to 'handle'
these antiscia - you simply identify the influence areas
that are revealed when the longitude is translated into
declination and the declination is translated into longitude.
Note what aspects are made from these positions and
what aspects are received at these points. This will
give you some surprises because you will most often
discover that there are aspects being made that were
never revealed by longitude alone and that these aspects
explain the action going on in a chart far better than
the obvious longitudinal aspects that have been the
only aspects we had before I introduced this method.
Treat these positions just like you treat any positions
- they are nothing more nor less than dimensions revealed
that were hidden prior to my work. Kt
j) How do you work with contra-antiscia? (Luc)
Just the same as above - there really is no difference
in influence of these two points. Kt
k) In your book you speak about the OOB cycli of the
planets; can you give me more information about the
OOB behavior of the asteroïd Cheiron, Ceres, Pallas,
Juno and Vesta? And what are the most important and
interesting interpretations? (Luc)
Well, that could be a whole book in itself but fact
it is merely an exaggerated action or reaction associated
with the basic nature of the asteroid. Kt
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